: > what this says supports my oriiginal point…
: > Homeopathy is as good as other forms of prayer.
: > PLEASE don’t try to sell the solutions by claiming that
: > homeopathy is "SCIENTIFIC" . That amounts to intentionally
: > relying on misinformation to manipulate a potential buyer.
: > People who claim that Homeopathy is a "spiritual " cure should have
: > nothing to do with false and misrepresenting scam gimmicks
: > to sell their holy water.
This view is the very definition of cynicism. All acts are driven by greed.
P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).
In <125239262.4378…@lamg.com> P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)
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>: > what this says supports my oriiginal point…
>: > Homeopathy is as good as other forms of prayer.
>: > PLEASE don’t try to sell the solutions by claiming that
>: > homeopathy is "SCIENTIFIC" . That amounts to intentionally
>: > relying on misinformation to manipulate a potential buyer.
>: > People who claim that Homeopathy is a "spiritual " cure should
have
>: > nothing to do with false and misrepresenting scam gimmicks
>: > to sell their holy water.
>This view is the very definition of cynicism. All acts are driven by
greed.
>P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).
Homeopathy is usually and most often very low key in acquiring clients.
The customer aspect of homeopathy as an economic concept is rather
absurd. Most all homeopathy is not paid for by insurance. Most people
seem to come to homeopathy when all else fails or they are disgusted
with the care of regular medicine. There is little manipulation or shall
I say hard sell on the part of homeopaths. Homeopathy is generally much
less expensive than corresponding conventional therapy. In my own case,
my constitutional work has cost me about $500 and about 2.5 years of
time. I would like to put myself in the cured category but am not quite
sure. There are still some odss and ends to clear up and since we
are on going dynamic organisms, there will be some future work. (There
is a definition of cure in homeopathy.)
In other words, no one is forced to go to a homeopath. I personally
refuse to do any homeopathy on the person unless they are aware of the
nature of what I am doing. I have probably spent $12,000 getting
educated. I think I have collected less than $200. I have a different
view of this money thing than most. I will start collecting money for
services in the future. Money is not a driving force behind my doing
homeopathy. (Fortunately, I have a good income and am very blessed by
the universe.)
To disparage homeopathy seems to be easy….
1. It has not science behind it. (It does and double-blind studies are
not the only way to measure effectiveness.)
2. The ethics of homeopaths is questioned. (Gee whiz….the orthopedic
surgeon that I went to spent .5 hour with me; didn’t figure out anything
(told me all I had was sinsus problems when I had a severe injury to
the base of my neck))and charged the insurance company $1000 for it.
3. The remedies are adulterated. (The ethics of any market situation can
be questioned. Dumcap I will have to look into. Boirion, Hahnemann
Pharmacy, Delosis, Boreicke and Taffle are all meticulous in their
preparations. So we shouldn’t use something because of one situation.
Well that would leave out a lot of regular medicine companies. Tylenal
shouldn’t be used now should it.)
4. Testimonials don’t count. (What would it take? 10,000 testimonials.)
5. It is only placebo. (As stated before most all medicine is at least
40+ percent placebo. I got that figure from UC Medical Newsletter. So
regular medicine should be avoided because it is 40% placebo????)
6. The practitioners get better results because they spend time with the
client. (45 to 75 minutes for most interviews. Gee between placebo and
more time…. it is sure cheaper to go this way with lots less side
effects.
All of the above have been answered more than once or can be answered
easily. But does it matter?. Not everyone is suited to having their
medical needs taken care of by homeopathy. The person that believes that
homeopathy will act like a pill and correct a situation is out of luck.
Homeopathy will only take you out of the rut. Walking down the road of
life takes personal effort and involvement.
Homeopathy will continue to get an increasing share of clients because
it does work. It will have its pitfalls; I think that the fact that
someone says they know homeopathy when they don’t will be the biggest
pitfall.
There is a lot to alternatives besides homeopathy. Reiki etc. works for
some. End stage diseases and other long standing chronic situations are
at those places for reasons. There is no therapy that will correct those
situations overnight. Many expect just that kind of therapy.
Again no one is forced to homeopathy, Reiki, chiro, Flower Essences,
Barbara Brennon….. Clients need to inform themselves and find a match
to what they think will help them
If greed is a criteria for not doing homeopathy, then it should also be
the same criteria for not doing conventional medicine.
Between the doctors costs, the hospital costs, the lab costs (many of
which give very erroneous results) and the inflated costs of drugs,
greed is certainly a driving force in regular medicine.
In article <3gu4np$…@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> l…@ix.netcom.com (Judith A. Linn) writes:
> Homeopathy is usually and most often very low key in acquiring clients.
Sometimes…
> The customer aspect of homeopathy as an economic concept is rather
> absurd.
Sometimes not. Here’s a quote from a practicing homeopath and a
founder of a homeopathic manufacturing company:
"On the business side of the case, the total bill was $1006.20 over 11
visits…As the doctor I spent an estimated total of 107 minutes on
this case, which calculates to $9.41/minute or $564.79/hour for my
services. My total expenses in lab tests were $64.24. During the 11
visits with this patient he referred seven new patients with many
diverse conditions."
Scoobie doo! Ouch! Gouge me! Anything this expensive has *got* to work.
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In article <3h79bs$…@redhotmomma.ssr.com> s…@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne) writes:
>> The customer aspect of homeopathy as an economic concept is rather
>> absurd.
>Sometimes not. Here’s a quote from a practicing homeopath and a
>founder of a homeopathic manufacturing company:
> "On the business side of the case, the total bill was $1006.20 over 11
> visits…As the doctor I spent an estimated total of 107 minutes on
> this case, which calculates to $9.41/minute or $564.79/hour for my
> services. My total expenses in lab tests were $64.24. During the 11
> visits with this patient he referred seven new patients with many
> diverse conditions."
Can you tell us who this homeopath is and which homeopathic manufacturing
company is being referred to here?
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Robert Greenstein When you’re right 95% of the time,
gr…@srilanka.island.com why quibble over the remaining 3% ?
Scott Ballantyne:
:Sometimes not. Here’s a quote from a practicing homeopath and a
:founder of a homeopathic manufacturing company:
:
: "On the business side of the case, the total bill was $1006.20 over 11
: visits…As the doctor I spent an estimated total of 107 minutes on
: this case, which calculates to $9.41/minute or $564.79/hour for my
: services. My total expenses in lab tests were $64.24. During the 11
: visits with this patient he referred seven new patients with many
: diverse conditions."
Robert Greenstein:
>Can you tell us who this homeopath is and which homeopathic
>manufacturing company is being referred to here?
Why do you want to know, Robert? Will you send out the Alternative Police
to bust this guy for making money selling homeopathy? hehehehe. "It’s a
free country" (it is frequently argued) and just as people have a *Right*
to choose their medicine, this practitioner certainly can charge what the
market will bear. Yes? I’m surprised there is something about this ‘situ-
ation’ that bothers or concerns you. Who or what are you protecting? After
all, it’s not like their using ‘draconian’ interventions like "drugs" or
"surgery." Why, it’s homeopathy, Robert. What’s the harm? ;’)
JB.
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In article <3hg5jl$…@pigeon.island.com> gr…@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
> In article <3h79bs$…@redhotmomma.ssr.com> s…@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne) writes:
> >> The customer aspect of homeopathy as an economic concept is rather
> >> absurd.
> >Sometimes not. Here’s a quote from a practicing homeopath and a
> >founder of a homeopathic manufacturing company:
> > "On the business side of the case, the total bill was $1006.20 over 11
> > visits…As the doctor I spent an estimated total of 107 minutes on
> > this case, which calculates to $9.41/minute or $564.79/hour for my
> > services. My total expenses in lab tests were $64.24. During the 11
> > visits with this patient he referred seven new patients with many
> > diverse conditions."
> Can you tell us who this homeopath is and which homeopathic manufacturing
> company is being referred to here?
I suggest you read the original article. It’s quite illuminating:
King: "Ryan itis: A Homeopathic Case Study".
Digest of Chiropractic Economics, 34:46-47, June 1992
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In article <3hiip3$…@agate.berkeley.edu> rom…@uclink.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes:
> Scott Ballantyne:
> :Sometimes not. Here’s a quote from a practicing homeopath and a
> :founder of a homeopathic manufacturing company:
> :
> : "On the business side of the case, the total bill was $1006.20 over 11
> : visits…As the doctor I spent an estimated total of 107 minutes on
> : this case, which calculates to $9.41/minute or $564.79/hour for my
> : services. My total expenses in lab tests were $64.24. During the 11
> : visits with this patient he referred seven new patients with many
> : diverse conditions."
> Robert Greenstein:
> >Can you tell us who this homeopath is and which homeopathic
> >manufacturing company is being referred to here?
>Why do you want to know, Robert? Will you send out the Alternative Police
>to bust this guy for making money selling homeopathy? hehehehe. "It’s a
>free country" (it is frequently argued) and just as people have a *Right*
>to choose their medicine, this practitioner certainly can charge what the
>market will bear. Yes? I’m surprised there is something about this ‘situ-
>ation’ that bothers or concerns you. Who or what are you protecting? After
>all, it’s not like their using ‘draconian’ interventions like "drugs" or
>"surgery." Why, it’s homeopathy, Robert. What’s the harm? ;’)
When someone makes a statement such as Scott did above, it would be
nice to be able to verify its veracity. If the statement is true,
mha readers might want to avoid dealing with such an unscrupulous
company. If on the other hand it is false, it can be written off
as another NCAHF hatchet job.
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Robert Greenstein When you’re right 95% of the time,
gr…@srilanka.island.com why quibble over the remaining 3% ?
In <3honjr$…@pigeon.island.com> gr…@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
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>In article <3hiip3$…@agate.berkeley.edu> rom…@uclink.berkeley.edu
(John Badanes) writes:
>> Scott Ballantyne:
>> :Sometimes not. Here’s a quote from a practicing homeopath and a
>> :founder of a homeopathic manufacturing company:
>> :
>> : "On the business side of the case, the total bill was $1006.20
over 11
>> : visits…As the doctor I spent an estimated total of 107 minutes
on
>> : this case, which calculates to $9.41/minute or $564.79/hour for
my
>> : services. My total expenses in lab tests were $64.24. During the
11
>> : visits with this patient he referred seven new patients with
many
>> : diverse conditions."
>> Robert Greenstein:
>> >Can you tell us who this homeopath is and which homeopathic
>> >manufacturing company is being referred to here?
>>Why do you want to know, Robert? Will you send out the Alternative
Police
>>to bust this guy for making money selling homeopathy? hehehehe.
"It’s a
>>free country" (it is frequently argued) and just as people have a
*Right*
>>to choose their medicine, this practitioner certainly can charge what
the
>>market will bear. Yes? I’m surprised there is something about this
‘situ-
>>ation’ that bothers or concerns you. Who or what are you protecting?
After
>>all, it’s not like their using ‘draconian’ interventions like "drugs"
or
>>"surgery." Why, it’s homeopathy, Robert. What’s the harm? ;’)
>When someone makes a statement such as Scott did above, it would be
>nice to be able to verify its veracity. If the statement is true,
>mha readers might want to avoid dealing with such an unscrupulous
>company. If on the other hand it is false, it can be written off
>as another NCAHF hatchet job.
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>Robert Greenstein When you’re right 95% of the time,
>gr…@srilanka.island.com why quibble over the remaining 3% ?
Well I went to an orthopedic surgeon and was charged $1000 for 1/2 hour.
This was highway robbery.
In article <3hp5a6$…@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> l…@ix.netcom.com (Judith A. Linn) writes:
> Well I went to an orthopedic surgeon and was charged $1000 for 1/2 hour.
> This was highway robbery.
And from this it presumably follows that it’s ok if homeopaths do it
too? I’ve always had a little trouble following this particular chain
of ‘logic’ – could you spell out the precise conclusion you would like
us to draw?
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Re: Scott Ballantyne on medical profits
Well, Scott, I have used homeopathic physicians
for the past twenty-five years and the total expense
involved hasn’t exceeded $2,500 (yep, that works
out to be +/-$100 a year), and I’m not a terribly
healthy individual to begin with (though a lot
more healthy since abandoning the allopathic
quacks). So- you go to your insurance backed
quacks, and I’ll continue my merry way. As
P.T. Barnum said: One every minute.
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In article <3hsc08…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ed…@aol.com (Eddin) writes:
|> Re: Scott Ballantyne on medical profits
|>
|> Well, Scott, I have used homeopathic physicians
|> for the past twenty-five years and the total expense
|> involved hasn’t exceeded $2,500 (yep, that works
|> out to be +/-$100 a year), and I’m not a terribly
|> healthy individual to begin with (though a lot
|> more healthy since abandoning the allopathic
|> quacks). So- you go to your insurance backed
|> quacks, and I’ll continue my merry way. As
|> P.T. Barnum said: One every minute.
|>
|> ========================================
To this guy I must say…
A sucker is born every minute. This jerk certianly makes up for at
least 10 minutes worth!
To those who are interested, read the learned statement by the
National Council against Health Fraud on Homeopathy. Extraordinary
claims require extraordinary proof. Homeopathy makes extraordinary
claims. Now, where’s the proof???
DragonSlayer
In <3hrd4n$…@redhotmomma.ssr.com> s…@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne)
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>In article <3hp5a6$…@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> l…@ix.netcom.com
(Judith A. Linn) writes:
>> Well I went to an orthopedic surgeon and was charged $1000 for 1/2
hour.
>> This was highway robbery.
>And from this it presumably follows that it’s ok if homeopaths do it
>too? I’ve always had a little trouble following this particular chain
>of ‘logic’ – could you spell out the precise conclusion you would like
>us to draw?
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I certainly didn’t say that.
I don’t like what a lot of folks charge. The original post gave a case
where a homeopath seems to have had an excessive charge.
I have posted that the majority of homeopaths don’t charge that much.
Others have posted that over a 5 year period or longer the amount of
what goes out to a homeopath is considerable less that what goes to an
allopath.
I think if there was a survey of charges the greed would be far more
excessive in the allopathic community.
In <3i9ckj$…@redhotmomma.ssr.com> s…@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne)
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>In article <3i0frb$…@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> l…@ix.netcom.com
(Judith A. Linn) writes:
>> In <3hrd4n$…@redhotmomma.ssr.com> s…@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne)
>> writes:
>> >And from this it presumably follows that it’s ok if homeopaths do it
>> >too? I’ve always had a little trouble following this particular
chain
>> >of ‘logic’ – could you spell out the precise conclusion you would
like
>> >us to draw?
>> >sdb
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>> >s…@ssr.com
>> I certainly didn’t say that.
>No, you didn’t. I’m trying to figure out exactly what relevance your
>feeling gouged by an orthopedic surgeon has to the discussion of
>homeopathic charges. I’m still trying…
>> I think if there was a survey of charges the greed would be far more
>> excessive in the allopathic community.
>Ok, let me guess again: No matter how bad we are, they are worse? Is
>that what you are trying to say?
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Dear Scott,
What I was pointing out was a reply to the implication that what is
wrong with homeopathy is greed. Greed is cross modality lines.
However, as it has been posted by at least two others over-all
homeopathy is less expensive than allopathy.
In article <3ig60p$…@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> l…@ix.netcom.com (Judith A. Linn) writes:
> What I was pointing out was a reply to the implication that what is
> wrong with homeopathy is greed. Greed is cross modality lines.
No, I think I can agree with that greed is not what’s wrong with
homeopathy – I think the point of the original article was that
homeopathy and greed are certainly not mutually exclusive.
> However, as it has been posted by at least two others over-all
> homeopathy is less expensive than allopathy.
Two people have said that? I guess it must be true then…
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In article <3iupsb…@redhotmomma.ssr.com> s…@ssr.com (Scott
Ballantyne) writes:
No, I think I can agree with that greed is not what’s wrong with
homeopathy – I think the point of the original article was that
homeopathy and greed are certainly not mutually exclusive.
So what’s your point? Are greed and any human activity mutually
exclusive?
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