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  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;In article &lt;1154055292.4378...@lamg.com&gt; P_Iann...@lamg.com (Paul Iannone) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; : No argument here. Active and intelligent patients can be a real &lt;br /&gt; &gt; : wake-up call to a doctor, the best doctors are more than happy to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; : listen to a patient make their case - if you have one that isn&#039;t, you &lt;br /&gt; &gt; : should change. That&#039;s not the same thing at all as legislation that &lt;br /&gt; &gt; : absolves practitioners from liability based on a fallacious conception &lt;br /&gt; &gt; : of freedom of choice. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; : &lt;br /&gt; &gt; : sdb &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Reasoning in this manner, all freedom of choice is fallacious. Even the best &lt;br /&gt; &gt; informed are not free to choose. Does threatening the individual with &lt;br /&gt; &gt; statistical risk make them free choosers? Aren&#039;t they simply acting out of &lt;br /&gt; &gt; fear? When patients take a drug therapy, are they free choosers? Aren&#039;t they &lt;br /&gt; &gt; simply acting from the doctor&#039;s presumption? How could anyone be free in such &lt;br /&gt; &gt; a way that your tribunal of ethical authorities wouldn&#039;t have power over &lt;br /&gt; &gt; them? Your concept of forcing therapy on people, previously stated, makes you &lt;br /&gt; &gt; a very poor source of information on free choice or free will, which is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; probably a more important issue. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;First of all, I have no concept of *forcing* therapy on people. I &lt;br /&gt; believe people are and should continue to be free to decline any &lt;br /&gt; therapy. But - just because someone can say &#039;Yes&#039; or &#039;No&#039; does not &lt;br /&gt; make that choice a free one. I don&#039;t think anyone here has ever heard &lt;br /&gt; me suggest that a patient should be sued... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This kind of thing doesn&#039;t only happen in medicine. If I&#039;m taken in a &lt;br /&gt; stock swindle, for example, should I have no legal recourse because I &lt;br /&gt; could have declined to purchase the stock? Of course not, and for the &lt;br /&gt; same reason: There is no free choice without being fully informed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;People who come down with cancer rarely have the time to take the &lt;br /&gt; decade long education that their physicians have gone through - and &lt;br /&gt; some may not have the capacity. Out of necessity they base their &lt;br /&gt; decision on the information they are given by the experts they &lt;br /&gt; hire. If they MDs succeed in truthfully informing them of the best &lt;br /&gt; choices they have, then they *can* make a free choice. If they are &lt;br /&gt; lied to, they aren&#039;t making a free choice. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;sdb &lt;br /&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; s...@ssr.com &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>In article &lt;1154055292.4378&#8230;@lamg.com&gt; <a href="mailto:P_Iann...@lamg.com">P_Iann&#8230;@lamg.com</a> (Paul Iannone) writes: <br /> 
<p>&gt; : No argument here. Active and intelligent patients can be a real <br /> &gt; : wake-up call to a doctor, the best doctors are more than happy to <br /> &gt; : listen to a patient make their case &#8211; if you have one that isn&#8217;t, you <br /> &gt; : should change. That&#8217;s not the same thing at all as legislation that <br /> &gt; : absolves practitioners from liability based on a fallacious conception <br /> &gt; : of freedom of choice. <br /> &gt; : <br /> &gt; : sdb  </p>
<p>&gt; Reasoning in this manner, all freedom of choice is fallacious. Even the best <br /> &gt; informed are not free to choose. Does threatening the individual with <br /> &gt; statistical risk make them free choosers? Aren&#8217;t they simply acting out of <br /> &gt; fear? When patients take a drug therapy, are they free choosers? Aren&#8217;t they <br /> &gt; simply acting from the doctor&#8217;s presumption? How could anyone be free in such <br /> &gt; a way that your tribunal of ethical authorities wouldn&#8217;t have power over <br /> &gt; them? Your concept of forcing therapy on people, previously stated, makes you <br /> &gt; a very poor source of information on free choice or free will, which is <br /> &gt; probably a more important issue. </p>
<p>First of all, I have no concept of *forcing* therapy on people. I <br /> believe people are and should continue to be free to decline any <br /> therapy. But &#8211; just because someone can say &#8216;Yes&#8217; or &#8216;No&#8217; does not <br /> make that choice a free one. I don&#8217;t think anyone here has ever heard <br /> me suggest that a patient should be sued&#8230;  </p>
<p>This kind of thing doesn&#8217;t only happen in medicine. If I&#8217;m taken in a <br /> stock swindle, for example, should I have no legal recourse because I <br /> could have declined to purchase the stock? Of course not, and for the <br /> same reason: There is no free choice without being fully informed.  </p>
<p>People who come down with cancer rarely have the time to take the <br /> decade long education that their physicians have gone through &#8211; and <br /> some may not have the capacity. Out of necessity they base their <br /> decision on the information they are given by the experts they <br /> hire. If they MDs succeed in truthfully informing them of the best <br /> choices they have, then they *can* make a free choice. If they are <br /> lied to, they aren&#8217;t making a free choice.  </p>
<p>sdb <br /> &#8212; <br /> <a href="mailto:s...@ssr.com">s&#8230;@ssr.com</a> </p>
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