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  Ladies and Gentlemen: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;Regarding the subject of &quot;Reiki&quot;, DragonSlayer apparently posted some &lt;br /&gt; information, of which I only received part, no doubt because our server at the &lt;br /&gt; BBS here only keeps a certain number of posts before discarding, so I must &lt;br /&gt; apologize, both to the newsgroup and to DragonSlayer, if anything I say &lt;br /&gt; mischaracterizes DragonSlayer&#039;s original post. &#160;I was only able to retrieve part &lt;br /&gt; of it, and it is the part I was able to retrieve, and *only* this part, to which &lt;br /&gt; I shall make some reply. &#160;Concerning Reiki, DragonSlayer says: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;DS&gt; &#160;I would suggest that you look at the work done in Colorado demonstrating &lt;br /&gt; DS&gt; &#160;that Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch is a placebo. This research clearly &lt;br /&gt; DS&gt; &#160;implies that it is highly likely that Reiki is a placebo as well, for both &lt;br /&gt; DS&gt; &#160;methods are quite similar indeed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;While I shall not attempt to characterize the scholarship that came to the &lt;br /&gt; conclusion that Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch is no more effective than placebo, &lt;br /&gt; I should, first of all, like to point out that, as I understand the Colorado &lt;br /&gt; research, (it was discussed briefly in an editorial accompanying the Fall 1994 &lt;br /&gt; issue of the ISSSSEM (the International Society for the Scientific Study of &lt;br /&gt; Subtle Energy Modalities (?) ) this Colorado study made no mention of any other &lt;br /&gt; non-touch modalities other than Non-contact Therapeutic Touch and specifically &lt;br /&gt; stated that conclusions based on this study should *not* be extended to any &lt;br /&gt; other modalities since *only* Non-contact Therapeutic Touch was studied. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Further, there are at least three significant differences between Usui Shiki &lt;br /&gt; Ryoho, or the Usui Method of Natural Healing (known as &quot;Reiki&quot; in the United &lt;br /&gt; States) and Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch. &#160;[Now, it may turn out that these &lt;br /&gt; differences do *not* result in the modality known as Reiki being more effective &lt;br /&gt; than a placebo, but the differences *are* real and, IMHO, ought to be *proved* &lt;br /&gt; to be relevant or irrelevant *before* anyone (including, with all due respect, &lt;br /&gt; DragonSlayer) concludes that Reiki is no more effective than a placebo simply &lt;br /&gt; because Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch may have proven to be thus.] &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Firstly, the most significant difference between the two modalities is that, in &lt;br /&gt; the Usui Method of Natural Healing, practitioners must undergo a process known &lt;br /&gt; as &quot;attunement&quot; whereby they become attuned to the &quot;ki&quot; energy that is all &lt;br /&gt; around us. &#160;Now, whether one accepts this process called &quot;attunement&quot; as a &lt;br /&gt; useful event or as a non-effectual event whose efficacy cannot be scientifically &lt;br /&gt; measured, (and hence, irrelevant from a scientific viewpoint), it is still an &lt;br /&gt; actual occurrence, and its impact upon the efficacy of a statistically &lt;br /&gt; significant number of Reiki practitioners ought to be examined. &#160;To date, this &lt;br /&gt; has not occurred. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Secondly and thirdly, in the Usui Method of Natural Healing, there are symbols &lt;br /&gt; that are drawn in the air by the practitioner with his/her hand(s) (these &lt;br /&gt; symbols are called &quot;mudras&quot;) and there are names of the symbols that are audibly &lt;br /&gt; intoned (the audible names of the symbols are called &quot;mantras&quot; and their &lt;br /&gt; intonation is called &quot;invocation&quot;) that are used by advanced level practitioners &lt;br /&gt; for the specific purposes of gathering, focusing, and channeling &quot;ki&quot; energy in &lt;br /&gt; significant amounts to deal with different aspects of one&#039;s disease, illness, or &lt;br /&gt; trauma, so that the recipient can use the &quot;ki&quot; energy to heal him/herself of the &lt;br /&gt; specific problem at hand. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The efficacy of the use of these &quot;mantras&quot; and &quot;mudras&quot; in conjunction with &lt;br /&gt; Reiki practice has not been studied scientifically, but their presence and use &lt;br /&gt; in the practice is real and should not be automatically dismissed as irrelevant. &lt;br /&gt; They may have an impact on the efficacy of the practice. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now, the explanation for all of this only becomes interesting if there is a &lt;br /&gt; significant difference between placebo result and Reiki result. &#160;To the best of &lt;br /&gt; my knowledge, this has not been tested with a statistically significant group. &lt;br /&gt; (Add to this, no self-respecting Reiki Master would ever claim to &quot;heal&quot; anyone. &lt;br /&gt; Instead, most Reiki Masters insist that the recipient of &quot;ki&quot; energy heals &lt;br /&gt; him/herself by using the &quot;ki&quot; energy that the Reiki Master channels to the &lt;br /&gt; client.) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;But is anything really happening?&quot; enquiring minds want to know. &lt;br /&gt; Notwithstanding the modesty of these Reiki Masters, this question remains to be &lt;br /&gt; answered in a double-blind, scientifically engineered study, to determine &lt;br /&gt; whether there is an unexplained variation between placebo results and Reiki &lt;br /&gt; results (either better *or* worse. &#160;Either would prove *something* is &lt;br /&gt; happening.) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this respect, I would say the following: &#160;it is unscientific to dismiss the &lt;br /&gt; possibility of an event occurring, simply because one has not yet figured out a &lt;br /&gt; way to measure the event itself (a la Heisenberg), or to locate the source of &lt;br /&gt; the event (also Heisenberg). &#160;To wit, radioactivity existed long before our &lt;br /&gt; ability to measure it quantitatively, and long before we figured how to use it &lt;br /&gt; productively; perhaps the same can be said for the existence and movement of &lt;br /&gt; &quot;ki&quot; energy. &#160;The fact is, over 100,000 pages of Buddhist sutras, predominantly &lt;br /&gt; the Lotus Sutra, point out the existence of the &quot;mystic law of cause and effect &lt;br /&gt; through sound or vibration&quot;, and did so long before the invention of the &lt;br /&gt; electron microscope enabled us to confirm the vibrational nature of the atomic &lt;br /&gt; structure. &#160;The absence of this electron microscope in no way negated the &lt;br /&gt; Buddhist writers&#039; certain knowledge of this vibrational energy contained in all &lt;br /&gt; sentient and insentient beings, *in spite of* their being unable to &quot;prove&quot; it &lt;br /&gt; scientifically. &#160;According to these Sutras, they *used* this &quot;ki&quot; energy to &lt;br /&gt; perform what we would today call &quot;miracles.&quot; &#160;Did they? &#160;To what *can* we &lt;br /&gt; attribute their seemingly farsighted knowledge? &#160;The debate continues. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am not asking anyone to &quot;believe&quot; that &quot;ki&quot; energy exists or that its presence &lt;br /&gt; makes a difference in a person&#039;s recovery from illness, disease, or trauma, &lt;br /&gt; although this is what *I* personally have experienced (anecdotally, of course). &lt;br /&gt; However, I would respectfully commend to the attention of the non-Reiki &lt;br /&gt; practitioner community that there are enough differences between Reiki and other &lt;br /&gt; non-touch based modalities (such as the Barbara Brennan School of Healing, &lt;br /&gt; Non-contact Therapeutic Touch, Huna, Pranic Healing, Mahikari No Wara, etc.) &lt;br /&gt; that &quot;lumping together&quot; Reiki with other non-touch modalities would &lt;br /&gt; &quot;short-change&quot; the world of the opportunity to verify the true efficacy of this &lt;br /&gt; authentically unique energy modality, in effect, &quot;condemning&quot; Reiki to the &lt;br /&gt; placebo &quot;scrap heap&quot; without a fair, scientific trial. &#160;This, I believe, is &lt;br /&gt; inappropriate, shortsighted, and undeserved. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;While I shall not insist that anyone ought to believe (without scientific proof) &lt;br /&gt; in the efficacy of Usui Shiki Ryoho (or &quot;Reiki&quot; as it&#039;s known in the U.S. and &lt;br /&gt; some other countries), notwithstanding my anecdotal experiences or those of &lt;br /&gt; approximately 60,000 practitioners throughout the world, I personally would like &lt;br /&gt; to &quot;weigh in&quot; and say that, at the least, the differences between Reiki and &lt;br /&gt; other forms of non-touch energy work are significant enough to warrant a &lt;br /&gt; separate study before &quot;throwing out the Reiki with the bath water.&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for listening. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Brian M. Carter, B.S., C.M.T. &lt;br /&gt; Usui Shiki Ryoho Reiki Master &lt;br /&gt; California State-authorized Instructor (Cert #105502, expires 01/97) &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160;in Massage and Massage Therapy Subjects &lt;br /&gt; L.A. County License 0594-116598I1 &lt;br /&gt; City of Pasadena License 52-058755 &lt;br /&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>Regarding the subject of &quot;Reiki&quot;, DragonSlayer apparently posted some <br /> information, of which I only received part, no doubt because our server at the <br /> BBS here only keeps a certain number of posts before discarding, so I must <br /> apologize, both to the newsgroup and to DragonSlayer, if anything I say <br /> mischaracterizes DragonSlayer&#8217;s original post. &nbsp;I was only able to retrieve part <br /> of it, and it is the part I was able to retrieve, and *only* this part, to which <br /> I shall make some reply. &nbsp;Concerning Reiki, DragonSlayer says:  </p>
<p>DS&gt; &nbsp;I would suggest that you look at the work done in Colorado demonstrating <br /> DS&gt; &nbsp;that Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch is a placebo. This research clearly <br /> DS&gt; &nbsp;implies that it is highly likely that Reiki is a placebo as well, for both <br /> DS&gt; &nbsp;methods are quite similar indeed.  </p>
<p>While I shall not attempt to characterize the scholarship that came to the <br /> conclusion that Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch is no more effective than placebo, <br /> I should, first of all, like to point out that, as I understand the Colorado <br /> research, (it was discussed briefly in an editorial accompanying the Fall 1994 <br /> issue of the ISSSSEM (the International Society for the Scientific Study of <br /> Subtle Energy Modalities (?) ) this Colorado study made no mention of any other <br /> non-touch modalities other than Non-contact Therapeutic Touch and specifically <br /> stated that conclusions based on this study should *not* be extended to any <br /> other modalities since *only* Non-contact Therapeutic Touch was studied.  </p>
<p>Further, there are at least three significant differences between Usui Shiki <br /> Ryoho, or the Usui Method of Natural Healing (known as &quot;Reiki&quot; in the United <br /> States) and Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch. &nbsp;[Now, it may turn out that these <br /> differences do *not* result in the modality known as Reiki being more effective <br /> than a placebo, but the differences *are* real and, IMHO, ought to be *proved* <br /> to be relevant or irrelevant *before* anyone (including, with all due respect, <br /> DragonSlayer) concludes that Reiki is no more effective than a placebo simply <br /> because Non-Contact Therapeutic Touch may have proven to be thus.]  </p>
<p>Firstly, the most significant difference between the two modalities is that, in <br /> the Usui Method of Natural Healing, practitioners must undergo a process known <br /> as &quot;attunement&quot; whereby they become attuned to the &quot;ki&quot; energy that is all <br /> around us. &nbsp;Now, whether one accepts this process called &quot;attunement&quot; as a <br /> useful event or as a non-effectual event whose efficacy cannot be scientifically <br /> measured, (and hence, irrelevant from a scientific viewpoint), it is still an <br /> actual occurrence, and its impact upon the efficacy of a statistically <br /> significant number of Reiki practitioners ought to be examined. &nbsp;To date, this <br /> has not occurred.  </p>
<p>Secondly and thirdly, in the Usui Method of Natural Healing, there are symbols <br /> that are drawn in the air by the practitioner with his/her hand(s) (these <br /> symbols are called &quot;mudras&quot;) and there are names of the symbols that are audibly <br /> intoned (the audible names of the symbols are called &quot;mantras&quot; and their <br /> intonation is called &quot;invocation&quot;) that are used by advanced level practitioners <br /> for the specific purposes of gathering, focusing, and channeling &quot;ki&quot; energy in <br /> significant amounts to deal with different aspects of one&#8217;s disease, illness, or <br /> trauma, so that the recipient can use the &quot;ki&quot; energy to heal him/herself of the <br /> specific problem at hand.  </p>
<p>The efficacy of the use of these &quot;mantras&quot; and &quot;mudras&quot; in conjunction with <br /> Reiki practice has not been studied scientifically, but their presence and use <br /> in the practice is real and should not be automatically dismissed as irrelevant. <br /> They may have an impact on the efficacy of the practice.  </p>
<p>Now, the explanation for all of this only becomes interesting if there is a <br /> significant difference between placebo result and Reiki result. &nbsp;To the best of <br /> my knowledge, this has not been tested with a statistically significant group. <br /> (Add to this, no self-respecting Reiki Master would ever claim to &quot;heal&quot; anyone. <br /> Instead, most Reiki Masters insist that the recipient of &quot;ki&quot; energy heals <br /> him/herself by using the &quot;ki&quot; energy that the Reiki Master channels to the <br /> client.)  </p>
<p>&quot;But is anything really happening?&quot; enquiring minds want to know. <br /> Notwithstanding the modesty of these Reiki Masters, this question remains to be <br /> answered in a double-blind, scientifically engineered study, to determine <br /> whether there is an unexplained variation between placebo results and Reiki <br /> results (either better *or* worse. &nbsp;Either would prove *something* is <br /> happening.)  </p>
<p>In this respect, I would say the following: &nbsp;it is unscientific to dismiss the <br /> possibility of an event occurring, simply because one has not yet figured out a <br /> way to measure the event itself (a la Heisenberg), or to locate the source of <br /> the event (also Heisenberg). &nbsp;To wit, radioactivity existed long before our <br /> ability to measure it quantitatively, and long before we figured how to use it <br /> productively; perhaps the same can be said for the existence and movement of <br /> &quot;ki&quot; energy. &nbsp;The fact is, over 100,000 pages of Buddhist sutras, predominantly <br /> the Lotus Sutra, point out the existence of the &quot;mystic law of cause and effect <br /> through sound or vibration&quot;, and did so long before the invention of the <br /> electron microscope enabled us to confirm the vibrational nature of the atomic <br /> structure. &nbsp;The absence of this electron microscope in no way negated the <br /> Buddhist writers&#8217; certain knowledge of this vibrational energy contained in all <br /> sentient and insentient beings, *in spite of* their being unable to &quot;prove&quot; it <br /> scientifically. &nbsp;According to these Sutras, they *used* this &quot;ki&quot; energy to <br /> perform what we would today call &quot;miracles.&quot; &nbsp;Did they? &nbsp;To what *can* we <br /> attribute their seemingly farsighted knowledge? &nbsp;The debate continues.  </p>
<p>I am not asking anyone to &quot;believe&quot; that &quot;ki&quot; energy exists or that its presence <br /> makes a difference in a person&#8217;s recovery from illness, disease, or trauma, <br /> although this is what *I* personally have experienced (anecdotally, of course). <br /> However, I would respectfully commend to the attention of the non-Reiki <br /> practitioner community that there are enough differences between Reiki and other <br /> non-touch based modalities (such as the Barbara Brennan School of Healing, <br /> Non-contact Therapeutic Touch, Huna, Pranic Healing, Mahikari No Wara, etc.) <br /> that &quot;lumping together&quot; Reiki with other non-touch modalities would <br /> &quot;short-change&quot; the world of the opportunity to verify the true efficacy of this <br /> authentically unique energy modality, in effect, &quot;condemning&quot; Reiki to the <br /> placebo &quot;scrap heap&quot; without a fair, scientific trial. &nbsp;This, I believe, is <br /> inappropriate, shortsighted, and undeserved.  </p>
<p>While I shall not insist that anyone ought to believe (without scientific proof) <br /> in the efficacy of Usui Shiki Ryoho (or &quot;Reiki&quot; as it&#8217;s known in the U.S. and <br /> some other countries), notwithstanding my anecdotal experiences or those of <br /> approximately 60,000 practitioners throughout the world, I personally would like <br /> to &quot;weigh in&quot; and say that, at the least, the differences between Reiki and <br /> other forms of non-touch energy work are significant enough to warrant a <br /> separate study before &quot;throwing out the Reiki with the bath water.&quot;  </p>
<p>Thanks for listening.  </p>
<p>Brian M. Carter, B.S., C.M.T. <br /> Usui Shiki Ryoho Reiki Master <br /> California State-authorized Instructor (Cert #105502, expires 01/97) <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp;in Massage and Massage Therapy Subjects <br /> L.A. County License 0594-116598I1 <br /> City of Pasadena License 52-058755 <br /> &#8212; </p>
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  In article &lt;3j8edt$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com&gt;, l...@aol.com (LLG3) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;... &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; (in the sense of Rolfing Structural Integration core length) &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; In fact a proof crazed German Rolfer actually photographed a small group &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; of clients with the aim of seeing if discrimination could be used to &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; figure out whether a person had been Rolfed, Reiki-ed, massaged, or had &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; hair messed up and walked around the table. &#160;In fact there was not enough &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; discrimination between the body types used in the very small sample of &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; people except for one thing: &#160;both the Reiki-ed and the Rolfed people &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; exhibited &quot;core&quot; length. &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; Subsequently I tried out Reiki twice for myself. &#160;It was a very enjoyable &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; experience each time and did produce a short term feeling of core length &lt;br /&gt; &#124;&gt; and well-being that lasted into the next day. &lt;br /&gt; &#124; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;Some of us are unfamiliar with the technical terms from rolfing, would you care &lt;br /&gt; to give us a definition of &quot;Rolfing Structural Integration core length&quot;? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regards, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Scott W. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&#8230; <br /> |&gt; (in the sense of Rolfing Structural Integration core length) <br /> |&gt; In fact a proof crazed German Rolfer actually photographed a small group <br /> |&gt; of clients with the aim of seeing if discrimination could be used to <br /> |&gt; figure out whether a person had been Rolfed, Reiki-ed, massaged, or had <br /> |&gt; hair messed up and walked around the table. &nbsp;In fact there was not enough <br /> |&gt; discrimination between the body types used in the very small sample of <br /> |&gt; people except for one thing: &nbsp;both the Reiki-ed and the Rolfed people <br /> |&gt; exhibited &quot;core&quot; length. <br /> |&gt; Subsequently I tried out Reiki twice for myself. &nbsp;It was a very enjoyable <br /> |&gt; experience each time and did produce a short term feeling of core length <br /> |&gt; and well-being that lasted into the next day. <br /> | <br /> 
<p>Some of us are unfamiliar with the technical terms from rolfing, would you care <br /> to give us a definition of &quot;Rolfing Structural Integration core length&quot;?  </p>
<p>Regards,  </p>
<p>Scott W. </p>
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