Re: Unbelievable new health breakthru!

VANE…@unt.edu (Mike Vanecek) writes:
> Joel Ellington <75554.1…@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>>From: Joel Ellington <75554.1…@CompuServe.COM>
>>Subject: Unbelievable new health breakthru!
>>Date: 3 Mar 1995 06:44:05 GMT
>>Pycnogenol has already  changed the lives of millions!  to find
>>out what it can do for you, and where you can get it call
>>414-521-3051 for a free doctor’s cassette that will give you more
>>information!!!!
>Does the title "Unbelievable" act as a warning to the consumer?

If it doesn’t, then the ‘!!!!’, coupled with the lack of any info should.
I emailed this guy with a few words about netiquette. Hate to be a cop, but…

-Brad

29 Responses to “Re: Unbelievable new health breakthru!”

  1. admin says:

    Pycnogenol has already  changed the lives of millions!  to find
    out what it can do for you, and where you can get it call
    414-521-3051 for a free doctor’s cassette that will give you more
    information!!!!


    Joel Ellington

  2. admin says:

    In article <3j6drl$og…@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Joel Ellington <75554.1…@CompuServe.COM> writes:

    >From: Joel Ellington <75554.1…@CompuServe.COM>
    >Subject: Unbelievable new health breakthru!
    >Date: 3 Mar 1995 06:44:05 GMT
    >Pycnogenol has already  changed the lives of millions!  to find
    >out what it can do for you, and where you can get it call
    >414-521-3051 for a free doctor’s cassette that will give you more
    >information!!!!
    >–
    >Joel Ellington

    Does the title "Unbelievable" act as a warning to the consumer?

    Mike.

  3. admin says:

    In message ID <1995Feb27.184034….@ccmail.com> on 2/27/95, Devin Hanson
    wrote:

    : I’ve had cold sores for years, and hated every moment of them, and
    : still do.   There is nothing you can do to get rid of them, but
    : there is a prescription  drug called Zorvorax that works great,
    : instead of having a cold sore for 2+  weeks, it cut mine down to 4
    : days.  It comes both in pill and topical cream,  and I highly
    : recommend it for anyone with cold sores.  It isn’t an alternative
    : treatment, but I swear its the only thing I’ve ever tried that
    : actually works.

    Thank you for calling and sharing, but you are right, it isn’t an alternative
    therapy. If we wanted to read the Merck manual, we would. This is
    non-curative, suppressive therapy at its finest. Good luck. If you find
    yourself struggling with a strange bout of depression, I’m sure they’ll have
    another ‘effective’ drug for you to take.

    P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

  4. admin says:

    In article: <1995Mar6.171730.19…@ccmail.com>  Devin Hanson <dhan…@ccmail.com> writes:

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    > In article <369589372.1509…@lamg.com>, <P_Iann…@lamg.com> writes:

    > > : I’ve had cold sores for years, and hated every moment of them, and
    > > : still do.   There is nothing you can do to get rid of them, but
    > > : there is a prescription  drug called Zorvorax that works great,
    > > : instead of having a cold sore for 2+  weeks, it cut mine down to 4
    > > : days.  It comes both in pill and topical cream,  and I highly
    > > : recommend it for anyone with cold sores.  It isn’t an alternative
    > > : treatment, but I swear its the only thing I’ve ever tried that
    > > : actually works.

    > > Thank you for calling and sharing, but you are right, it isn’t an alternative
    > > therapy. If we wanted to read the Merck manual, we would. This is
    > > non-curative, suppressive therapy at its finest. Good luck. If you find
    > > yourself struggling with a strange bout of depression, I’m sure they’ll have
    > > another ‘effective’ drug for you to take.

    > > P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

    > NO, Thank you for sharing Paul.  Didn’t seem you offered an alternative.  I
    > only mentioned Zorvirx because I have litterally tried everything else,
    > including one recommendation of using Ban roll-on on them.  NOTHING ever
    > worked, and to my knowledge there isn’t ANY *cure* for Herpes in Alternative or
    > Conventional medicine.

    Try essential oil of bergamot. Do not use before exposure to ultravilet light, i.e sunbathing.

    One drop directly oonto the affected area sveveral times a day works wonders for me.

    Thany you for your time.

    C. Damian Law
    Development Executive
    Aromatic Architecture

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    In article <369589372.1509…@lamg.com>, <P_Iann…@lamg.com> writes:

    > : I’ve had cold sores for years, and hated every moment of them, and
    > : still do.   There is nothing you can do to get rid of them, but
    > : there is a prescription  drug called Zorvorax that works great,
    > : instead of having a cold sore for 2+  weeks, it cut mine down to 4
    > : days.  It comes both in pill and topical cream,  and I highly
    > : recommend it for anyone with cold sores.  It isn’t an alternative
    > : treatment, but I swear its the only thing I’ve ever tried that
    > : actually works.

    > Thank you for calling and sharing, but you are right, it isn’t an alternative
    > therapy. If we wanted to read the Merck manual, we would. This is
    > non-curative, suppressive therapy at its finest. Good luck. If you find
    > yourself struggling with a strange bout of depression, I’m sure they’ll have
    > another ‘effective’ drug for you to take.

    > P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

    NO, Thank you for sharing Paul.  Didn’t seem you offered an alternative.  I
    only mentioned Zorvirx because I have litterally tried everything else,
    including one recommendation of using Ban roll-on on them.  NOTHING ever
    worked, and to my knowledge there isn’t ANY *cure* for Herpes in Alternative or
    Conventional medicine.

  6. admin says:

    In message ID <1995Mar6.171730.19…@ccmail.com> on 3/6/95, Devin Hanson
    wrote:

    : > Thank you for calling and sharing, but you are right, it isn’t an
    : alternative > therapy. If we wanted to read the Merck manual, we
    : would. This is > non-curative, suppressive therapy at its finest.
    : Good luck. If you find > yourself struggling with a strange bout of
    : depression, I’m sure they’ll have > another ‘effective’ drug for you
    : to take. >
    : >
    : >
    : > P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).
    : >
    :
    :
    : NO, Thank you for sharing Paul.  Didn’t seem you offered an
    : alternative.  I  only mentioned Zorvirx because I have litterally
    : tried everything else,  including one recommendation of using Ban
    : roll-on on them.  NOTHING ever  worked, and to my knowledge there
    : isn’t ANY *cure* for Herpes in Alternative or  Conventional medicine.

    Well, that is wrong. Traditional Homeopathy can ‘cure’ herpes, as I have
    stated here several times before. And there are certainly excellent herbals
    that will symptom manage this condition as effectively as Zovirax.

    The problem with them is that you have to take responsibility for the factors
    in your lifestyle which bring on your attacks! How inconvenient! But that is
    the way these alternatives work–they are specifically _NOT_ powerful
    suppressive drugs that require nothing but a willingness to subtly damage
    your health. You have to rest, to eat, to not take stimulants to excess, to
    treat and remove accumulated Heat–to seek out health balance in other words.

    Zovirax is not that. It is not the cure that is lacking–it is the
    application.

    P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

  7. admin says:

    This is going to sound bizzare, but I use my earwax.  Most folks can’t get
    beyond the earwax, they never give it a try.  If you suffer a lot then I
    suggest you save your earwax.  It doesn’t take much; Apply it night and day.
    It works.  Good luck.
    Don

  8. admin says:

    In article <369589372.3985…@lamg.com> P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone) writes:
    >From: P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone)
    >Subject: Re: How do you treat Cold Sores?
    >Date: 07 Mar 1995 11:02:44 GMT
    >Well, that is wrong. Traditional Homeopathy can ‘cure’ herpes, as I have
    >stated here several times before. And there are certainly excellent herbals
    >that will symptom manage this condition as effectively as Zovirax.
    >The problem with them is that you have to take responsibility for the factors
    >in your lifestyle which bring on your attacks! How inconvenient! But that is
    >the way these alternatives work–they are specifically _NOT_ powerful
    >suppressive drugs that require nothing but a willingness to subtly damage
    >your health. You have to rest, to eat, to not take stimulants to excess, to
    >treat and remove accumulated Heat–to seek out health balance in other words.
    >Zovirax is not that. It is not the cure that is lacking–it is the
    >application.

    Hi Paul.

    This has been my experiences. It is very difficult to control herpes outbreaks
    – there are times that I find it very difficult to control stress and
    overwork – but it possible to greatly diminish the severity and frequency of
    outbreaks. There was one period of time that I went five years without an
    outbreak and now and then I have a very mild one – much milder than what I use
    to have. It is a shame that physicians have convinced some people that there
    is no help, but for those who are not convinced there is plenty of evidence
    that herpes can be controlled using the proper approaches. Traditional Chinese
    Medicine (TCM) is certainly one of the most effective approaches since it
    combines rest, diet, and very effective herbal formulas,

    Regards,

    Rich
    Richard Finkelstein,  Performance Computing, Inc.
    3930 N. Pinegrove, Ste. 1214, Chicago, IL 606013
    (312) 549-8325 (Voice) 312-549-4824 (Fax)                                

  9. admin says:

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    In article <1995Mar6.171730.19…@ccmail.com> Devin Hanson <dhan…@ccmail.com> writes:
    >From: Devin Hanson <dhan…@ccmail.com>
    >Subject: Re: How do you treat Cold Sores?
    >Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 09:07:21 PDT
    >In article <369589372.1509…@lamg.com>, <P_Iann…@lamg.com> writes:

    >> : I’ve had cold sores for years, and hated every moment of them, and
    >> : still do.   There is nothing you can do to get rid of them, but
    >> : there is a prescription  drug called Zorvorax that works great,
    >> : instead of having a cold sore for 2+  weeks, it cut mine down to 4
    >> : days.  It comes both in pill and topical cream,  and I highly
    >> : recommend it for anyone with cold sores.  It isn’t an alternative
    >> : treatment, but I swear its the only thing I’ve ever tried that
    >> : actually works.

    >> Thank you for calling and sharing, but you are right, it isn’t an alternative
    >> therapy. If we wanted to read the Merck manual, we would. This is
    >> non-curative, suppressive therapy at its finest. Good luck. If you find
    >> yourself struggling with a strange bout of depression, I’m sure they’ll have
    >> another ‘effective’ drug for you to take.

    >> P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

    >NO, Thank you for sharing Paul.  Didn’t seem you offered an alternative.  I
    >only mentioned Zorvirx because I have litterally tried everything else,
    >including one recommendation of using Ban roll-on on them.  NOTHING ever
    >worked, and to my knowledge there isn’t ANY *cure* for Herpes in Alternative or
    >Conventional medicine.

    I can’t speak for its effectiveness, but Pearson and Shaw highly recommend BHT
    for cold sores.

    -Kevin

  10. admin says:

    donfarelda (da…@delphi.com) wrote:

    : This is going to sound bizzare, but I use my earwax.  Most folks can’t get
    : beyond the earwax, they never give it a try.  If you suffer a lot then I
    : suggest you save your earwax.  It doesn’t take much; Apply it night and day.
    : It works.  Good luck.

    In all my years in the natural foods industry this has go to be the oddest
    remedy I’ve ever heard of. However, odd does not mean ineffective.
    Anyway, the therapies I have seen the best success with are:

    -Echinacea regularly to increase the immune system’s viral defense capacity

    -Lysine…topically or internally

    -Zinc (be sure to take with food to reduse the incidence of nausea)

    Hope it helps
    Good Luck!!

    Tommy D

  11. admin says:

    In message ID <finkel.226.00F59…@links.com> on 3/7/95, Richard Finkelstein
    wrote:

    : >The problem with them is that you have to take responsibility for
    : the factors >in your lifestyle which bring on your attacks! How
    : inconvenient! But that is >the way these alternatives work–they are
    : specifically _NOT_ powerful >suppressive drugs that require nothing
    : but a willingness to subtly damage >your health. You have to rest,
    : to eat, to not take stimulants to excess, to >treat and remove
    : accumulated Heat–to seek out health balance in other words.
    :
    :
    : >Zovirax is not that. It is not the cure that is lacking–it is the
    : >application.
    :
    :
    : Hi Paul.
    :
    : This has been my experiences. It is very difficult to control herpes
    : outbreaks
    :
    : – there are times that I find it very difficult to control stress
    : and  overwork – but it possible to greatly diminish the severity and
    : frequency of  outbreaks. There was one period of time that I went
    : five years without an  outbreak and now and then I have a very mild
    : one – much milder than what I use
    :
    : to have. It is a shame that physicians have convinced some people
    : that there is no help, but for those who are not convinced there is
    : plenty of evidence that herpes can be controlled using the proper
    : approaches. Traditional Chinese
    :
    : Medicine (TCM) is certainly one of the most effective approaches
    : since it  combines rest, diet, and very effective herbal formulas,
    :
    : Regards,
    :
    : Rich
    : Richard Finkelstein

    The value of homeopathy in this case is exactly because it is less dependent
    on lifestyle.

    P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

  12. admin says:

    In article <369589372.3985…@lamg.com> P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone) writes:

       The problem with them is that you have to take responsibility for the factors
       in your lifestyle which bring on your attacks! How inconvenient! But that is
       the way these alternatives work–they are specifically _NOT_ powerful
       suppressive drugs that require nothing but a willingness to subtly damage
       your health. You have to rest, to eat, to not take stimulants to excess, to
       treat and remove accumulated Heat–to seek out health balance in other words.
       Zovirax is not that. It is not the cure that is lacking–it is the
       application.

    Well said, and if this newgroup ever gets an FAQ I hope that words to
    this effect are prominently posted in it.

    Bernie Simon (bsi…@stsci.edu)                     But is it art?

  13. admin says:

    In article <1995Mar9.141…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com>

    ht…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com (Troy Hash) writes:

       To quote P_Iannone’s most frequent response, CRAP!  If what you say
       is true, then anyone with a virus should be able to prevent future
       viral outbreaks simply by ‘changing their lifestyle’.  Do you really
       believe that?  Do you really believe that NOT ONE of the thousands
       of people that have died from AIDS (which is also caused by a
       viral infection) had a lifestyle to compare to that professed by
       P_Iannone?  How convinient to blame everything on lifestyle.  I
       hope you don’t get dizzy sitting on that ivory throne.

    The greatest killers in the modern world are not infectious diseases,
    they are heart disease and cancer. Both diseases are strongly
    associated with lifestyle. Heart disease (except for congenital heart
    problems) could be almost completely eliminated if everyone made the
    necessary changes to their lives. Cancer deaths could be cut in half
    or more. Most chronic diseases, such as asthma, have an important
    lifestyle component. Where do you think these problems come from, do
    they just drop out of the sky? Asthma can’t just be blamed on
    genetics, since the incidence has increased 42% since 1982. Genetics
    can’t cause this kind of increase.

    Even simple changes to lifestyle can make big differences to your
    health. I have seen persons with serious health problems show
    improvement just by taking Tai Chi. What you eat, how you think, and
    your daily habits have a big effect on your health. The doctor who
    does not ask the patient about their lifestyle and emphasize the
    importance of positive changes, but instead promises that some pill
    will fix the problem, is not the friend, but the enemy of the patient.


    Bernie Simon                    Don’t look at it as a failure
    (bsi…@stsci.edu)          Look at it as a valuable life lesson

  14. admin says:

    In article <BSIMON.95Mar8074…@elvis.stsci.edu>, bsi…@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:

    |> In article <369589372.3985…@lamg.com> P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone) writes:
    |>
    |>    The problem with them is that you have to take responsibility for the factors
    |>    in your lifestyle which bring on your attacks! How inconvenient! But that is
    |>    the way these alternatives work–they are specifically _NOT_ powerful
    |>    suppressive drugs that require nothing but a willingness to subtly damage
    |>    your health. You have to rest, to eat, to not take stimulants to excess, to
    |>    treat and remove accumulated Heat–to seek out health balance in other words.
    |>    Zovirax is not that. It is not the cure that is lacking–it is the
    |>    application.
    |>
    |> Well said, and if this newgroup ever gets an FAQ I hope that words to
    |> this effect are prominently posted in it.
    |> —
    |> Bernie Simon (bsi…@stsci.edu)                       But is it art?

    To quote P_Iannone’s most frequent response, CRAP!  If what you say
    is true, then anyone with a virus should be able to prevent future
    viral outbreaks simply by ‘changing their lifestyle’.  Do you really
    believe that?  Do you really believe that NOT ONE of the thousands
    of people that have died from AIDS (which is also caused by a
    viral infection) had a lifestyle to compare to that professed by
    P_Iannone?  How convinient to blame everything on lifestyle.  I
    hope you don’t get dizzy sitting on that ivory throne.


    Troy M. Hash                     GeoMan, Student of All Waves
    !!>>>> My Opinions Do Not Reflect Those Of My Employer <<<<!!
    "You’ll be absolutely free, Only if you want to be…"F.Zappa

  15. admin says:

    In article <BSIMON.95Mar10074…@elvis.stsci.edu>, bsi…@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:

    |> In article <1995Mar9.141…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com>
    |> ht…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com (Troy Hash) writes:
    |>
    |>
    |>    To quote P_Iannone’s most frequent response, CRAP!  If what you say
    |>    is true, then anyone with a virus should be able to prevent future
    |>    viral outbreaks simply by ‘changing their lifestyle’.  Do you really
    |>    believe that?  Do you really believe that NOT ONE of the thousands
    |>    of people that have died from AIDS (which is also caused by a
    |>    viral infection) had a lifestyle to compare to that professed by
    |>    P_Iannone?  How convinient to blame everything on lifestyle.  I
    |>    hope you don’t get dizzy sitting on that ivory throne.
    |>
    |> The greatest killers in the modern world are not infectious diseases,
    |> they are heart disease and cancer. Both diseases are strongly
    |> associated with lifestyle. Heart disease (except for congenital heart
    |> problems) could be almost completely eliminated if everyone made the
    |> necessary changes to their lives. Cancer deaths could be cut in half
    |> or more. Most chronic diseases, such as asthma, have an important
    |> lifestyle component. Where do you think these problems come from, do
    |> they just drop out of the sky? Asthma can’t just be blamed on
    |> genetics, since the incidence has increased 42% since 1982. Genetics
    |> can’t cause this kind of increase.
    |>
    |> Even simple changes to lifestyle can make big differences to your
    |> health. I have seen persons with serious health problems show
    |> improvement just by taking Tai Chi. What you eat, how you think, and
    |> your daily habits have a big effect on your health. The doctor who
    |> does not ask the patient about their lifestyle and emphasize the
    |> importance of positive changes, but instead promises that some pill
    |> will fix the problem, is not the friend, but the enemy of the patient.
    |>
    |> —
    |> Bernie Simon                      Don’t look at it as a failure
    |> (bsi…@stsci.edu)            Look at it as a valuable life lesson

    A very good answer, but the post was about how to reduce the discomfort
    of cold sores, and since you already have the virus by the time the
    first sore appears, I do not see how changing your lifestyle will
    rid your body of the virus.  Do you believe it can?  My friend has
    had good luck with Zilactin Medicated Gel, and not much else.  Anyway,
    I wish I had left out the ‘ivory throne’ business, but I get so
    angry when some poor person writes this group looking for help, and
    then receive condemnation of their lifestyle as an answer.  It just
    doesn’t seem to be much help.


    Troy M. Hash                     GeoMan, Student of All Waves
    !!>>>> My Opinions Do Not Reflect Those Of My Employer <<<<!!
    "You’ll be absolutely free, Only if you want to be…"F.Zappa

  16. admin says:

    : A very good answer, but the post was about how to reduce the discomfort
    : of cold sores, and since you already have the virus by the time the
    : first sore appears, I do not see how changing your lifestyle will
    : rid your body of the virus.  Do you believe it can?  My friend has
    : had good luck with Zilactin Medicated Gel, and not much else.  Anyway,
    : I wish I had left out the ‘ivory throne’ business, but I get so
    : angry when some poor person writes this group looking for help, and
    : then receive condemnation of their lifestyle as an answer.  It just
    : doesn’t seem to be much help.

    Ya gotta consider that lifestyle plays a HUGE role in how the body can
    respond to things like viral infections. If the body is well cared for
    it can sometimes respond to a viral cycle without the person having the
    usual symptoms that a person would experience if they had not taken
    such good care of themselves. Naturally, this is not an absolute rule
    to expect, but it is an overall concept worth giving validity. Many
    people have had great success living with AIDS in this manner. Had
    they decided to just give in to the disease and live a relatively more
    destructive lifestyle, they certainly would not have had so great of
    the success. The whole idea is really rather radical in the face of
    what we label traditional medicine. The body is not a static object. It
    responds to a plethora of subtleties in its environment and each response
    is closely tied into how the body is responding to rest of environment.
    Well, that’s enough philosophy for now…..

    Tommy D

  17. admin says:

    In message ID <1995Mar9.141…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com> on 3/9/95, Troy Hash
    wrote:

    : To quote P_Iannone’s most frequent response, CRAP!  If what you say
    : is true, then anyone with a virus should be able to prevent future
    : viral outbreaks simply by ‘changing their lifestyle’.  Do you really
    : believe that?  Do you really believe that NOT ONE of the thousands
    : of people that have died from AIDS (which is also caused by a
    : viral infection) had a lifestyle to compare to that professed by
    : P_Iannone?  How convinient to blame everything on lifestyle.  I
    : hope you don’t get dizzy sitting on that ivory throne.
    :
    : —
    : Troy M. Hash    

    I have used the word ‘crap’ exactly twice, both times in reference to Paul
    Mason’s War of the Worlds Magnesium Cardio-death Emergency Scenario. No one
    yet has blamed everything on lifestyle, but there is a decided prejudice in
    Western conventional medicine toward drug cures rather than fully-responsible
    lives. Thus, until recently, you could just continue smoking and sitting on
    your ass, cause the insulin would handle your diabetes.

    Treatments that focus on lifestyle change, such as those used by many, many
    AIDS patients in care of East-Asian Traditional Healing, prolong life _and
    improve quality of life_, something AZT will not do I guarantee.

    Dress your straw man up in a new hat. The raven’s ate the last one.

    P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

  18. admin says:

    Has anyone ever tried Campho-Phenique?  I get cold sores (on my lip) as a
    stress reaction and C-P makes them disappear almost overnite.  I have had
    (ha-ha) Herpes and after the doctor I was seeing in Germany used
    Castellani’s Paint on the sores, I used C-P as an alternative when I
    could no longer see him.  Works just fine.

    YMMV, obviously.

  19. admin says:

    In message ID <1995Mar10.113…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com> on 3/10/95, Troy

    Hash wrote:

    : A very good answer, but the post was about how to reduce the discomfort
    : of cold sores, and since you already have the virus by the time the
    : first sore appears, I do not see how changing your lifestyle will
    : rid your body of the virus.  Do you believe it can?  My friend has
    : had good luck with Zilactin Medicated Gel, and not much else.  Anyway,
    : I wish I had left out the ‘ivory throne’ business, but I get so
    : angry when some poor person writes this group looking for help, and
    : then receive condemnation of their lifestyle as an answer.  It just
    : doesn’t seem to be much help.
    :
    : —
    : Troy M. Hash

    That is not what the original reply to that poster said. Both traditional
    homeopathy (curative) and East-Asian Traditional Healing (symptom management)
    can treat herpes. There are suppressive drugs, but they don’t belong here but
    in sci.med somewhere. There are also treatments on the alternative side
    (Zovirax), which would be contraindicated according to ETH, and I speak
    against them from that standpoint.

    In addition to the therapy, ETH requires lifestyle modification, which
    doesn’t ‘rid your body of the virus’ but does function as an aid to effective
    symptom management. I do not believe that homeopathy requires much lifestyle
    management in general, other than the avoidance of coffee and sufficient
    rest, but Bernie’s point is still valid as to avoiding heart disease and
    cancer. Do you deny that lifestyle helps prevent heart disease? I hope not.

    P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul Iannone, P.O.B. 66843, L.A., CA 90066).

  20. admin says:

    In article <1995Mar10.113…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com>

    ht…@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com (Troy Hash) writes:

       A very good answer, but the post was about how to reduce the discomfort
       of cold sores, and since you already have the virus by the time the
       first sore appears, I do not see how changing your lifestyle will
       rid your body of the virus.  Do you believe it can?  My friend has
       had good luck with Zilactin Medicated Gel, and not much else.  Anyway,
       I wish I had left out the ‘ivory throne’ business, but I get so
       angry when some poor person writes this group looking for help, and
       then receive condemnation of their lifestyle as an answer.  It just
       doesn’t seem to be much help.

    Practically everyone has been infected with the virus which causes
    cold sores. The virus manifests itself when the patient’s defenses are
    low due to overwork, stress, or some other factor. Treating cold sores
    as a sign of low energy level and making the appropriate lifestyle
    modifications is an important, although not always a sufficient
    approach the the problem.

    Bernie Simon  (bsi…@stsci.edu)            Properly sedated

  21. admin says:

    In article <369618942.1728…@lamg.com> P_Iann…@lamg.com (Paul

    Iannone) writes:

       I do not believe that homeopathy requires much lifestyle
       management in general, other than the avoidance of coffee and sufficient
       rest, but Bernie’s point is still valid as to avoiding heart disease and
       cancer. Do you deny that lifestyle helps prevent heart disease? I hope not.

    The position sometimes taken by homeopaths is that homeopathic
    treatment will make it easier fo make the necessary lifestyle
    adjustment. That is, the person is not only ill becuase of poor
    lifestyle, but has poor lifestyle because of their illness, and as the
    illness is resolved, the lifestyle will change. For what its worth, my
    homeopathic doctor advised me to change my diet and I am now on the
    McDougall diet.

    Bernie Simon  (bsi…@stsci.edu)            Properly sedated

  22. admin says:

    A treatment I have used with success is to apply 1 drop of geranium essentail oil directly to the impending cold sore. This will not prevent them but it does signicantly reduce the symptoms.

  23. admin says:

    On Tue, 14 Mar 1995, Duy-Minh NHIEU wrote:

    > What is Campho-Phenique?

    A non-pescription compound based on camphor.  

    Where can you get it in America?

    Any pharmacy, drug store, decent sized grocery store.  

    Is cold sore the

    > same as canker sore?

    Hmmmmm, somebody else answer this one.  

    I have those small spots on my lips
    (actually, not on

    > the visible section of the lips) that looks yellow with a small red dot in
    > the center and it hurts.  Are those cold sore?

    I’ve never had them (as I recall) on the inside of the mouth.  They
    usually appear at the edge of the external lip, or in the moustache
    area.  Early on, they itch like hell, and I feel like I can actually feel
    the nerve squirming around under the skin (a la’ Alien+).  A day later,
    almost overnight, I have a large bump (for the area) that looks sort of
    like a wart.  Slightly hard, but tender to the touch, even painful.  

    If I’m alert and have C-P to apply immediately, the bump will dry up and
    actually come off like any scab or scrape.  And that’s its, its gone.  

    The worst (in length of time) is 48 hours + up to 72 hours.  I’ve never
    had one last longer than that if I apply C-P; usually less, <24-36 hours.

  24. admin says:

    After reading the lengthy material regarding Dr. Griffith’s research in
    the
    Saturday Evening Post – I started using L-Lysine supplements.  Works
    great!

  25. admin says:

    One cheap, easy, wholesome alternative is the amino acid
    Lysine.  Probably a better preventative then cure, but it
    will lessen the intesity of an attack.  I would suggest
    1/2 gram to 1 gram a day as a preventative.

    -Tom

  26. admin says:

    LOTSA L-lysine and LOTSA garlic.  Stay away from foods containing a high ratio
    of L-Arganine(sp) to L-lysine (unfortunate for we vegetarians who get lots of
    protien from these seeds and nuts).  An MD friend of mine who also practices
    alternative med. (hooray!!), recommended this combination to a friend.  I don’t
    remember specific dosages but could ask again if there’s an interest.  Pls email
    if you wish.

    I’ve done some research on the canker .vs. coldsore/herpes.  As best I can gleen
    from conversations with MDs and reading material, they’re one and the same.  
    Anybody else have input?

    -pam

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    If anyone knows phone #,  or address on how to reach Laurel Mushroom
    Farms–Please e-mail me with the info.   E-mail to:

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                                                         Thank You Very Much.
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  28. admin says:

    In article <3j8fg9$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, callm…@aol.com (CallmeEC) says:

    >Laurel Farms (not Laurel Mushroom Farms) can be found by calling
    >infomation at 1213-5551212. They are now located in Studio City.  If you
    >are looking for kombucha mushrooms you can find them cheaper at Beverly
    >Hills Juice Club in Los Angeles ($15 vrs $50).

    >Hope this helps!
    >Ernest Cohen
    >Callm…@aol.com

    Don’t waste your money!  Kombucha are free.  Virtually anyone on the
    Kombucha list will send you one for $5 to cover the cost of postage and
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  29. admin says:

    hi…anyone have insight into cause of hand tremors that i’ve had for
    several months (persist even when i give up caffeine; often worse in AM).
    my MD is unconcerned altho re-checking my thyroid med (no other
    overmedicated symptoms).  i also have been having increasing migraine
    (1-2X/month) but seems unrelated??  had MRI 18 months ago for other issue
    and was clean.    my father also had tremors for years with no related
    problem, altho he had other health problems (polio as child, etc.).  i am
    36, in general good health, had grand mal seizure as child, cause never
    found, EEG’s abnormal, no seizures or med for 25+ years.